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More on Evolutionary Psychology
So I've been commenting recently on [info]wanton_heat_jet's journal about evolutionary psychology after he left a series of comments on my RPG journal post "On Gender Disparity in RPGs" from last year. At around that time, I also had a post on my personal blog, "Evolutionary Psychology," more about the scientific side of this.

He started in with "ev psych and RPGs." and followed with a series of ten posts thus far on evolutionary psychology (see his June 2009 archive). This was also picked up by [info]robin_d_laws in his post, "We Evolved On the Grasslands To Have This Debate."

A number of others have been dismissive of this. However, I ran into similar evolutionary arguments from multiple people at a panel at WisCon, so I am convinced that belief is widespread enough that it bears addressing.

The Short Form

From my observation, the field of evolutionary psychology is overwhelmingly filled with unscientific crap. It may be that there is some valid work within the cesspool, but I haven't seen it, and it would have to overcome a major hurdle to distance itself from the rest of it.

[info]robin_d_laws admitted widespread problems in evolutionary psychology, but did recommend a few including Robert Wright, Jeffrey Schloss and Frans de Waal. I'm remain doubtful based on what I read, such as his recommended vlog entry, "Humanity's Primate Heritage." From what I've seen, their discussion is airy speculation -- it's trying to argue in favor of evolution over creationism, but there isn't any real content regarding psychology.



Use of Evolutionary Data

There is no doubt that humans are a product of evolution, and that our genetics are an important factor in our behavior. However, the details of are evolution are found in the fossil record, which have very limited cues telling us of behavior. We can observe the behavior of humans in the modern-day among the various surviving cultures, but that might not correspond to the norms of behavior thousands or millions of years ago.

Humans are exceptional in many ways from comparable mammals, not only in brain size. Our body hair (for land animals), our bipedal gait, our fertility cycle and mammaries, and more. We can conjecture about trends, but that must be taken with large handfuls of salt.

I suspect that modern-day gender dynamics reflect paleolithic gender dynamics in a similar way to how the average modern-day diet reflects the average paleolithic diet. On that basis, I think that evolutionary logic applies to game design in roughly the same way that it applies to cooking. One may in principle come up with a new idea for cooking based on evolutionary logic. However, given that we are cooking for modern-day humans, it is an absurd stretch.

Presuming Adaptations

A key issue with evolutionary psychology is its use of "just so stories." In short, suppose that a particular trait or behavior exists in modern humans. The evolutionary psychologist points out how this behavior might have had a functional benefit for early hominids. This behavior or psychological trait is then presumed to be genetically programmed.

Simply put, that is stupid. Just because a trait would be useful doesn't mean that it necessarily exists. There are endless hypothetical traits -- anatomical as well as psychological -- that could potentially have been useful to us. That they would have been useful doesn't mean that they exist. For example, humans and their ancestors made stone cutting tools for over a million years, for longer than they had hunted. However, that does not mean that the process of creating a stone axe is genetically programmed into our brains.

Human Evolution and Sexual Dimorphism

To the best of our knowledge, humans evolved from the extinct line of austrolopithecines (from 2-4 million years ago), and from earlier forms of the genus Homo. Species in the genus Homo include Homo Habilis (2.4 to 1.8 million years ago) and Homo Erectus (1.8 million to 70,000 years ago). The exact line of descent is not clear, however, and there may be other species or subspecies not yet found.

Homo Habilis apparently scavenged meat and used tools, but did not hunt. Homo Erectus hunted and made use of fire. Both of these species had greater sexual dimorphism than modern humans -- i.e. in modern humans, males are closer in size to females. (cf. "Analysis of Early Hominids")

Hunting became important for early humans once it was established. In the Upper Paleolithic Age, estimates vary that food from hunting amounted to from 20% to 70% of the caloric intake. Among modern humans of all cultures, hunting is usually considered an exclusively male task. The gender roles among earlier species is not known. It may be inferred from the example of modern humans that hunting was generally done by males, but this is not a given. For example, in lions the male is much larger and stronger, yet hunting is done primarily by the females.

I frequently hear the claim that men are larger and stronger because they are evolved to be hunters, which is patently false. Their larger size may have helped male hominids be the main hunters, but their size is not an evolutionary adaptation for that purpose. It was quite the opposite. Since hunting began, men have grown closer in size to women.

Genetic Gender Roles

There are most certainly going to be genetic differences, both in morphology and behavior, between men and women. Among mammals and birds, males tend to be larger and also tend to have more adornment and/or coloration. cf. "conspicuous males" In sexual selection, males tend to compete for the attention of females by various display behaviors.

The general tendencies may not hold true for humans, but if they were, they would suggest that men have a genetic predisposition to more competitive and performative behaviors. That is, men may genetically tend to be more interested in sports, dance, fashion, and make-up. However, the decrease in sexual dimorphism of humans compared to their ancestors suggests a lessening of male competition based on size.

Claims are also made regarding men's taste for violence, often based on male competitions to impress females common among primates and mammals in general. However, the logic is generally twisted. A common claim is that women don't like action movies or boxing matches because they are inherently less violent. Within evolution, watching male contests is a more characteristically female trait. Evolutionary logic would suggest that watching men fight is more enjoyed by women, since they can improve the fitness of their offspring by observing and selecting a more fit mate.

A rather amusing bit was Tweet's claims about sports. He originally stated regarding the predominance of men in D&D, "It's about a group assembling to undertake (imaginary) risks for glory and dominance. It's the same reason that team sports, such as basketball, are more male, whereas women compete to be judged beautiful and worthy (ice skating, gymnastics)." He attempted to defend this in his post, "ev psych, gymnastics, and ice skating." However, it was pointed out to him that ice skating and gymnastics were historically male sports, whereas basketball was adopted by women almost immediately for women since its invention in 1891. [info]kynn also provided statistics showing how vastly more women participated in soccer, volleyball, and basketball than in gymnastics or figure skating. He attempted to recover this by claiming that he was talking about our "cultural footprint" rather than actual behaviors of men and women, but that makes no sense in an evolutionary perspective.

A similar point was made in the heritability of Big Five personality traits, that differ between sexes. An interesting study on this is "Gender differences in personality traits across cultures" (2001). This is sometimes claimed as showing cross-cultural universality, but that isn't what it shows. It compares gender differences in personality ratings among 26 countries, but most of those are relatively Westernized first-world nations. In other countries, though, the results were quite different. For example, Zimbabweans had the opposite gender difference in Neuroticism and Agreeableness to those seen in other countries (i.e. women were slightly less neurotic and less agreeable than men, whereas the first-world trend is the other direction). Other countries showed major differences as well, notably South Korea, Japan, and black South Africa. There is close agreement, say, between Yugoslavia and Portugal and the U.S. -- but I think that is indicating similarity of environment.

Many behaviors can arise from the environment, even if they are done for millions of years. Evolutionary psychologists like to say that because we have been hunting for a million years, therefore hunting is programmed into the DNA of men but not women. However, we have been creating stone cutting tools for longer than we have been hunting. I have yet to hear claims of how the processes of chipping a stone axe are genetically programmed.

I think that we will find that there are some adaptations for stone tools and hunting. However, I expect that our modern-day behaviors will be markedly different from our ancestors in a great many categories, and in ways that are not predictable by simple common sense.

Identifying Genetically Programmed Behaviors

In one post, Tweet suggests that behaviors that come "naturally" to us -- i.e. those that do not require special effort by parents or the community -- are those that are genetically programmed. However, I believe that is based on false logic.

Humans raised in modern society are in a vastly different environment than the ancestors of humanity were. Even if no special effort is made to train them, animals raised in conditions vastly different from their natural habitats (such as homes or zoos) often display behaviors that are quite different from their behavior in the wild. It can be extremely difficult or even impossible to train an animal to live in its natural habitat after being raised elsewhere. By the same token, trying to raise a child in today's society who could survive in the grasslands would take enormous effort.

One example would be human food. The modern foods that we enjoy most are likely to bear little resemblance to the Paleolithic diet that we evolved for. In fact, sticking to a Paleolithic diet can be as difficult as other diets.

Humans in particular are excellent learning machines. There are an enormous number of things that we learn from our environment without it being a great effort to learn. For example, in our society, children rapidly learn that long hair and dresses are markers for being a girl. However, that is not culturally universal.

It may be genetically encoded for us to learn spoken language, and for us to learn markers for sex. Even if that is so, however, the specifics may depend on environment -- i.e. the specific language that we learn, and the specific markers for sex (such as girl clothes vs boy clothes, or girl games vs. boy games).

Why this is important

It is important because people spread around fabricated claims as well as other biased quotes and bad science that try to prop up sexist stereotypes. [info]wanton_heat_jet passed on some, like linking to an ABC News story that began with the claim, "For instance, a woman uses about 20,000 words a day while a man uses about 7,000."

I pointed out that this claim was fabricated, and linked to a review from the British science journal Nature that reported "The Female Brain disappointingly fails to meet even the most basic standards of scientific accuracy and balance." and "Misrepresentations of scientific details are legion." However, he continued to defend author Brizendine, claiming here that "She's a popular writer and her big ideas are good even if her details don't always measure up."

Besides fabrications, there are wildly misused claims. For example, Tweet claimed that women inherently tended towards imaginative social play -- citing as evidence that monkeys had such sex-biased instincts. As far as I can tell, that referred to a 2002 study, "Sex differences in response to children's toys in nonhuman primates." (This study was also mentioned in [info]ozarque's journal here.) The researchers at UCLA gave a set of 48 vervet monkeys of each gender a set of six toys: two "masculine" (a toy car and a ball), two "feminine" (a pot and a doll), and two "neutral" (a book and a stuffed dog). Their conclusion noted, "We found differences between male and female vervet monkeys that resemble the well-established differences in the toy preferences of boys and girls, consistent with the proposed existence of innate object preferences. However, although female vervets preferred 'feminine' toys over 'masculine' toys, male vervets did not appear to prefer 'masculine' toys over 'feminine' toys. This difference between male vervets and boys may indicate that toy preferences in boys are directed by gender socialization to a larger degree than are toy preferences in girls." I think even casual consideration makes one doubt how much this study really gets at the nature versus nurture question in humans -- let alone the conclusion that girls favor imaginative social play in general.




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[info]heron61
2009-06-09 05:18 am UTC (link)
If you are interested, here's an excellent and detailed critique of evo psych

Both as part of my graduate work in cultural anthro, and since, I've read quite a bit of evo psych, and the mixture of utterly hopeless research methodologies, combined with research designs that are specifically designed to confirm the research's prejudices seems to be hallmarks of the discipline. From what I've read, the closest thing to a balanced or even useful and non-ludicrous approach to dealing with any sort of biological basis for psychological gender differences can be found in Anne_Fausto-Sterling's work, particularly, Myths of Gender & her more recent and excellent work, Sexing the Body.

Also, here's an interesting article about the lack of alleged psychological differences between men and women.

"She's a popular writer and her big ideas are good even if her details don't always measure up."

Dear gods that's a pathetic argument.

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[info]revena
2009-06-09 05:30 am UTC (link)
Excellent post! <3

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[info]creidylad
2009-06-09 10:24 am UTC (link)
This is fascinating stuff, and great food for thought!

It makes me wonder about some very recent studies about autism (they were not informed by evolutionary biology, as far as I can tell) that suggest it may be an exaggeration of the "normal" male brain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4404682.stm

Is one link; alas I don't have time to pull up source-links.

This is all very new stuff and based on brain chemicals more than behavior, but now I want to go back and re-read the sources (gah, when I am properly awake, later) to figure out if any bad science crept in there.

The one place where I suppose I have paid some attention to evolutionary biology (though I've never heard anything from within the field put forward by a doctor as more than just a working theory) is in child development. Trying to figure out why all/most three yar olds across the globe have similar development is a fun puzzle -- a recent example is this idea that kids *may* become picky eaters around 2/3 years old because that is the age when they otherwise might become super-mobile in the 'grasslands' and run around trying new foods, so it is evolutionarily useful if they get fussy about only sticking to what they know for a while until they are old enough to be taught how to distinguish what is helpful and harmful in their natural environment.

This does make sense to me, but I agree wholly there is no real way to prove it.

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[info]kleenestar
2009-06-09 05:24 pm UTC (link)
I was actually involved in some of the early studies on autism and the "male brain," and it's actually much more nuanced than how it's portrayed in the media. For what it's worth, I always find it depressing that it's often discussed with this "male brain" spin. I remember the conversation where the research team sat down to work out the theory behind this idea, and it wasn't ev-psych-y - it was tied to the fact that autism is far more common in men than in women, and Aspergers Syndrome even more so, and we were looking for an explanation for that.

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[info]creidylad
2009-06-09 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Neat to hear from someone who was involved!

Oh, I agree! Mainstream media portrayal of scientific research often makes my teeth hurt. Mind you, I am not a scientist (at all) and trying to read the actual scientific papers is often beyond me...

I think the article where I first read the autism study was very specific and far more clear; alas, I can't recall which publication that was.

I should have been more specific about "makes me wonder" -- it makes me wonder if that sort of precision and exploration could ever be applied to the fossil record, though I assume short of finding a ton of proto-humans and early humans frozen in ice, we just don't have access to the right sorts of info.

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[info]jhkim
2009-06-09 08:15 pm UTC (link)
That is the problem with "just so stories" -- a major complaint about evolutionary biology. Knowing a trend in advance, one can create a narrative that spins it as an evolutionary advantage. That implies that it is genetically programmed, but there are a huge number of useful behaviors that are not programmed into our genes.

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[info]jonquil
2009-06-09 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Bless you, and thanks.

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[info]wordweaverlynn
2009-06-09 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Brilliantly done.

I'd also like to point out that men and women share the same DNA. Everybody has at least one X chromosome. The way some ev psych folk talk, you'd think we were different species.

Moreover, I often hear the comparison between sperm and egg as an essential (in both senses) illustration of the differences between masculine and feminine. The plump, complacent egg waits passively like a princess in a tower for her Prince Charming to come along. The tough, competitive sperm spray out into the world, run a marathon, and fight their way into the castle, where their kiss transforms the princess.

There's a serious problem with this scenario. Half those sperm are female. That's right. Woody Allen's balls in "Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Sex" should have contained as many actresses as actors. The X and Y swimmers both hurl themselves into the new world, compete on their way to the egg, and breach the castle walls to possess the princess.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

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[info]oursin
2009-06-09 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Aaaaaaaargh. There has been a lot of history since the savannahs and huge recorded differences in sexual and gender behaviours at different epochs and in different societies. Ev Psych just skips over all those centuries, and tries to read back current mores into the deep distant past of proto-hominids to make out that we (for rather restricted meanings of we) are just doing what comes naturally.

And big ideas that rest on a foundation of fabricated details? are going to fall over with a big loud crash. Duh.

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[info]eldfast
2009-06-09 03:02 pm UTC (link)
You just made me laugh out loud all by myself by my computer, allthough I'm all tired and low on energy :-)

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[info]cofax7
2009-06-09 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Brava!

Ev Psych makes my head explode: how do these people even justify it as science, it's so committed to upholding pre-existing hierarchies.

As I said on [info]jonquil's LJ, the fact that he's quoting Brizendine is of itself sufficient to make me laugh at him. She's been thoroughly debunked.

It's 2009: why does it still feel so much like 1950?

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[info]badger2305
2009-06-09 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for a concise and thorough critique of [info]wanton_heat_jet's position on ev psych. What I find disappointing on his part is his reliance on a clearly problematic "we're born that way" argument, when it is clear that socialization and sub-cultural norm patterns obviously also play a part in all of this (if not mostly determine it).

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[info]jerel
2009-06-09 10:14 pm UTC (link)
interesting stuff. It's neat to speculate about how vestiges of our ancestors' behaviour might manifest themselves today. However, this cannot stand up as science, because the baseline data [how early humans acted] is missing. It sounds like ev psych is about as scientific as eugenics: it takes a theory and makes the evidence--which may or may not include any actual, testable science-- prove it, instead of studying the evidence and formulating a theory.

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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-09 11:34 pm UTC (link)
It's a science in the same way as geology is a science. It can use evidence, but it can't do experiments, because the timescales are too long.

So, for its results, it largely depends on gathering evidence from the past and seeing where it points.

Don't get me wrong - I have serious doubts about evolutionary psychology - but I don't think it can be automatically dismissed as unscientific.

Graham

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[info]brynndragon
2009-06-13 02:28 am UTC (link)
Until we can look at pre-human behavior as easily as we can look at pre-human rocks, evolutionary psychology is not much like geology. It's more like xenobiology - maybe in the future we'll be able to seriously pursue it, but until then we only have a very small amount of data most of which gets lost in the noise of pop media depictions of the field.

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[info]jhkim
2009-06-13 02:42 am UTC (link)
I completely agree. The data on pre-human behavior is very sketchy, though more than xenobiology, I think. We do have some data on shelter they built and paintings they drew. However, that still leaves an enormous amount open. Even determining the sex of many pre-human skeletons can be difficult.

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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-17 09:15 am UTC (link)
I absolutely agree that the data tends to get lost in the hype. Xenobiology is, I think, an unfair comparison, but I see where you're coming from.

I think focussing on behaviour is missing the issue somewhat. Evolutionary psychology does speculate on how humans used to behave, using, for example, archaeological data, and its conclusions here are arguable.

But it's not all about that. Another important focus, for example, is examining the behaviour of close evolutionary relatives, and that is something we can observe.

Again, I'm concerned, in these discussions, about the wholesale rejection of the other side's argument. That is, to me, what characterises "pop media depictions" of evolutionary psychology, both for and against. I'd prefer that, rather than dismissing evolutionary psychology as a discipline, more time was spent criticizing the studies. That's the sort of criticism that's desperately needed.

Apologies for the delay in replying. I was revising for a psychology exam (in which, interestingly, there was a question about the evolutionary psychology of sex and gender).

Graham

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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-09 11:32 pm UTC (link)
John, I share your concerns about evolutionary psychology, but I think you underestimate the range of evidence it uses. It's not just the fossil record.

Good evolutionary psychology research will cite various sources of evidence: for example, some of the research into theory of mind considers archeological artifacts, experiments on close evolutionary relatives and studies on humans. They draw all those strands of evidence together to reach a conclusion.

Regarding Just So Stories: you're right that they occur, but that's a reason to reject the studies that use them, not to reject evolutionary psychology. There's a danger that you tar the good studies with the same brush as the bad studies.

I do have doubts about evolutionary psychology, but I find many of its studies somewhat convincing: even if they aren't wholly persuasive, there's definitely a case to be made. The theory of mind studies, above, are pretty good. On gender, evolutionary psychology is on shakier ground, but studies showing that, regardless of culture, men prefer sexual variety while women prefer commitment take some explaining if you're not using evolutionary arguments.

Graham

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[info]jhkim
2009-06-10 01:20 am UTC (link)
Given the various claims of this sort, I'm extremely skeptical of claims that are regardless of culture. For example, I linked above the 2001 NIH meta-study above that has been cited to claim cross-cultural agreement of gender differences in personality traits. However, the differences did not at all agree between, say, Zimbabwe and the U.S. even though there was close agreement between Hong Kong, Yugoslavia, and England.

Offhand, I suspect that preferring commitment is strongly correlated to empowerment. The more you are dependent on your mate or imagine so, the more you value commitment. It may be that this preference is similar to the broad preference of women for long hair and dresses -- a broadly adopted cultural trait based on the the common environment.

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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-10 10:39 am UTC (link)
Yes, I agree, there are all kinds of arguments against the gender theories of evolutionary psychology, most of them more convincing than the evolutionary arguments.

You've only responded to the last part of my post, though, and I actually think the first part is more important. Although there are bad studies within evolutionary psychology, I think it's a mistake to dismiss the whole perspective. When it doesn't talk about gender, it's produced useful insight, into how, for example, language and theory of mind may have evolved.

Graham

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[info]jhkim
2009-06-10 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Again, I haven't read everything in the field of evolutionary psychology. For example, [info]robin_d_laws linked to Robert Wright. However, the dialogs he linked seemed to me like more of the same: unproven and unprovable speculation that tries to sound like science. It was just less socially repugnant in its conclusions.

Now, there's nothing wrong with scientists or anyone else speculating wildly. However, it is wrong to pretend that such speculation is a valid and important scientific discipline.

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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-17 09:06 am UTC (link)
Bugger! Sorry, John, I replied to the wrong comment accidentally below. I've deleted that now.

As I mentioned below, one of my frustrations with these discussions is their dogmatism, with a tendency to completely dismiss the other's point of view. Those arguing for evolutionary psychology, especially Steven Pinker, are often scathing and even disingenuous in their arguments. Those arguing against, rather than arguing with the methodology of the studies, tend to dismiss evolutionary psychology as a discipline.

I think that's a step too far. Evolutionary psychology has produced some useful results that, I think, go beyond speculation. The evolution of theory of mind (the concept that others have thoughts and beliefs) is the most obvious example, with some fascinating studies investigating whether great apes possess this concept. The original classic study is by Premarck and Woodruff; there's a more modern review by Call and Tomasello, which I don't rate very highly for its conclusions, but which gives a useful overview of the work done.

I think it's absolutely right to be critical of evolutionary psychology and its studies, but dismissing the entire perspective is, I think, a step too far.

We can disagree on this, of course. Oh, and let me repeat what I said in my deleted comment, that it's a pleasure to have a civilised discussion about this.

Graham

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[info]jhkim
2009-06-17 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Are you saying that Premack and Woodruff were evolutionary psychologists? As I understand it, they studied chimpanzee behavior to determine its similarities to human behavior. However, the study of animal behavior and intelligence and their similarities to humans is old and indeed predates the theory of evolution.

I did state at the beginning that it was possible that there is some valid work within the cesspool of evolutionary psychology. By the same token, there are real genetic differences between human populations and real genetic flaws -- and thus not everything within early 20th century eugenics was false. However, it was still correct to dismiss the field because of the endemic problems within it.

Again, there's nothing wrong with speculating about human evolution, nature-vs-nurture, and many other questions. However, I feel that there are endemic problems, including the spin of evolutionary psychology as a scientific discipline.

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[info]ironed_orchid
2009-06-09 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Great post about the many problems with evo psych and how it's used in the media and by individuals to try to maintain the "naturalness" of certain gender roles.

A good book which argues against the gendered language claims of evo psych, including the one you mention about women talking more than men, is Deborah Cameron's The Myth of Mars and Venus.

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[info]icecreamempress
2009-06-10 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Why Men Won't Ask for Directions: The Seductions of Sociobiology, by Richard Francis, is a really good book by an evolutionary biologist on how sociobiology can be used to oversimplify complex issues.

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[info]klia
2009-06-12 03:39 am UTC (link)
A common claim is that women don't like action movies or boxing matches because they are inherently less violent. Within evolution, watching male contests is a more characteristically female trait. Evolutionary logic would suggest that watching men fight is more enjoyed by women, since they can improve the fitness of their offspring by observing and selecting a more fit mate.

I love this, and feel oddly gratified by the fact that I'm somehow less evolved. :D

Thanks for this post!

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